Are Edward and Bella in an abusive relationship?

I’m the first person who’ll tell you how important the Twilight series is — not from a literary standpoint, mind you, but more from a reading standpoint: These are books that get kids reading. And yet, as a feminist and the mom of teenage daughters, I’ve also got some problems with them — namely, their depiction of women and relationships. Why does Bella always need to be rescued by men? Can’t she rescue herself occasionally? Heck — can’t she even drive herself places? (In New Moon, whenever she’s in her truck with either Edward or Jacob, they’re the ones driving.) Why do all the male vampires have college degrees, medical degrees, and so forth, while — SPOILER ALERT FROM ECLIPSE AND BREAKING DAWN!!! — Bella gets married fresh out of high school, with nary a word breathed about higher education? And then, when she becomes pregnant, why does she emphatically refuse an abortion, even though the pregnancy is killing her? (Let me be clear: I’m not saying it’s wrong for a woman to choose marriage and motherhood, or wrong for her to decide against college. But Bella is still a kid, even in Breaking Dawn.)

So last week, in his excellent blog post, movie critic Owen Gleiberman compared Edward to a stalker. And yesterday, in “Is Team Edward Enabling Domestic Violence?”, GalleyCat’s Ron Hogan called my attention to a LiveJournal post describing how the Edward-Bella romance has all the earmarks of an abusive relationship as defined by a national domestic violence group: “Does your partner look at you or act in ways that scare you? Check. Make all the decisions? Check. Threaten to kill you? On their first date….”

Hmmm. what do you think?

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  • Sarah

    Actually, in New Moon – Bella does drive with Jacob in the car…

    • Shana

      Yep, she drives him on one occasion. And ::SPOILER ALERT:: actually, college is brought up a lot Bella simply does not want to actually attend. She also has a low opinion of getting married right out of high school, but does do it anyway.
      And while I totally see clear signs of an abusive relationship in these books and have since reading the Twilight the first time, some of the points being brought up such as the driving and college need to be corrected.

      • ugh

        ok, so she doesn’t want to get married, and does it anyways because he wants to…seems to justify what the articles been saying. she has no interest in attending college, and she is supposed to be the ideal woman in a relationship, someone girls can identify themselves with.

      • Jennifer

        I believe that Bella has no interest in attending college because she sees no point given that her life will be about Edward/vampirism and not about her.

      • char

        I consider myself a feminist, and I really don’t believe feminism is about a woman driving herself around and going to college. Feminism is about a woman having the choice to live a life she wants. If Bella chooses to be taken care of by Edward and Jacob, so be it. A woman shouldn’t be negatively judged for choosing a traditionally female role.

      • melissa

        when my 11 year old daughter describes edward as a stalker, then you know its serious. she loves the movies, but everytime edward appeared (especially in twilight) she would say “Stalker!” it was very funny

      • ugh

        Jennifer, that’s my point. she is so ridiculously dependent on these guys who for whatever reason want to be with her, that she can’t possibly function without them. And she’s supposed to be the “special, unique” girl

      • Diana

        @Char… you are brilliant, and obviously a “true feminist”.

      • Julie

        Actually…Bella emphatically wants to marry Edward – because she wants to SPOILER: have sex with him. He’s old fashioned (and worries he’ll hurt her) and doesn’t want to do the nasty until then.

        In fact, she’s quite obsessive about it.

        Edward does push hard for Bella to live a life before being turned. My problem is that Bella is so hung up on love she forgets about HERSELF.

        I absolutely hated the last two books. Bella’s obsession with having sex with Edward…the whole pregnancy thing…the whole odd child…the mate thing with Jacob…and Edward’s all around broodishness…made me just stop reading.

        It took me a weekend to read Twilight and New Moon. It took me 2 weeks to get through the last two books because I hate heroines who are meek and lack self-esteem. Teaches kids that it’s ok to throw a life away on love.

        There is NO love worth that ladies. None. Find yourself…then, if you choose to, find a partner.

      • Blah

        Well – Since Bella knows she’s going to live for possibly hundreds of years, I am sure she has plenty of time to go to college a few times over. She just didn’t want to do it while human.

      • Notbuyingit

        Char-
        You’re not a feminist. A feminist wouldn’t say it’s okay for a woman to be dependent on men. Sure, feminism is about choices, but those choices should empower a woman not make her dependent. Another reason I know you’re not a feminist, you sue the term “traditional female role”. What’s that??? A traditional female role is being a stay at home mother, or a doctor, or a physicist, or a teacher, or a tailor… you get my drift. To you a traditional female role is being dependent on a man. Hey Char, the 1950′s are calling – they want their attitudes back.

      • Courtnie Crutchfield

        @Char- I too consider myself a feminist, and I completely agree. The others need to brush up on their knowledge of the subject. feminism is about CHOICE. if a woman decides to become president of the free world, that’s great for her. If she decides she wants to stay at home and raise 10 kids, that is just as valid. Boxing women in, in any way, is antifeminist.

      • Jam

        I have to disagree with you Char. I consider myself a strong feminist, and I do believe in choice. However, saying that it’s all relevant suggests that there are no higher goals to strive for. This is not a critique of women who work at home (I myself am one). When I look at Bella, she seems blind to me. Her “rebellion” against Edward (demanding to be bit, the sex issue, college, etc.) is sort of pathetic because ultimately everything she’s giving up for/to him she does without thinking of herself. And she doesn’t. That was clear enough in the movies! Edward tells her to wait, and she refuses. He brings up her soul, and she blithely says it doesn’t matter. He becomes her world, and without him she cannot function – that does not strike me as living the feminist choice….

      • Aly

        Rachael, Bella only becomes the strongest when she becomes a vampire. She doesn’t find inner strength. It’s given to her as a plot device. Also, the reason why people consider Bella weak is because she’s lost without a man in her life, and she’s exceedingly clumsy, squeemish and helpless. What really gets to me is Meyers demonizes pretty blonds and presents Bella as the antithesis to the usual pretty heroine, yet how much of the last book is spent carrying on about how pretty she is, again, once she’s a vampire.

      • steve

        I hope you aren’t criticizing the LDS because they get married out of high school as well. christiandatematch.com

      • Vanessa

        Well Bella agreed to marriage if ****spoiler alert*** they can have intercourse. So she is using him for his body. Still dumb but she has an ulterior motive.

      • Elle

        Way too much discussion about this. IT’S A STORY!
        The idiot who wrote the article and has the nerve to mention feminism and the goofs who have analyzed the relationship between Bella & Edward and labled it abusive, are a few cans short of a six pack!
        I’m so sick and tired of this ridiculousness! This article is not worth any of our time and certainly not deserving of discussion.
        I’m a Twilight fan as I can see so many who have responded are as well…don’t waste your time…just go watch and ENJOY the movies or read the books again and again and again and take it for what it is….FANTASY!

      • Marie

        Hey Elle, YOU are missing the point. The Twilight series is written specifically for a younger audience. Therefore ‘the idiot’ who wrote this article is precisely right on! If an author is writing specifically for a younger audience (fantasy or otherwise), they carry a larger burden for sending appropriate messages. Yes, Edward is a stalker. Yes, the relationships are all very co-dependent. Ultimately, the Bella character is a how-to map to living life in dysfunctional relationships. Like it or not, the message is what it is and I, for one, am glad someone finally has shed light on this aspect of the stories.

      • Alyssa

        Sometimes a girl just wants to be rescued. I find the books brilliant! Bella realizes that nothing is more important than being with Edward, and Edward would give anything for Bella to live a regular human life. I see no signs of an abusive relationship at all, actually I think that more relationships should be like this. I’m a female and I absolutely find nothing in these books to be offensive. In fact, to me, the male should be the protector and the provider. And one more thing…Edward in no way is a stalker, he is simply trying to protect Bella. Honestly, I wish ALL guys could be like Edward (minus the vampire part, of course)!

      • Nancy

        I’d say, “Stop mikang me want to see the movie”…but I know I’m gonna go anyway. If only for HOWARD SHORE WTF.

    • Audrey

      Oh, you’re right! That means that Bella IS a strong role model for girls. Way to go!

      • Brianna

        Hellz Yes!! This frickin lady has no idea what the hell she is talking about! Thank you soo very much Rosalie for speaking the real truth about the Twilight saga and its movies, this Tina I doubt has ever even read the books! Get the frickin facts before you decide to write a false article slandering an amazing series like this, or your gonna get a hell of a lot of feedback from its fanbase!!

      • Summer

        Edward’s not abusive. He’s a VAMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vampires always want to kill people, I mean they drink blood. And he cares alot about Bella, he actually cares about what Bella thinks. I love the Twilight series.

    • Rosalie

      Tina, did you even read the books? Higher education for Bella is brought up in New Moon as well as Eclipse and Breaking Dawn. Remember Bella uses her “college fund” to buy the parts to fix the motorcycles. Edward protects Bella and so does Jacob. The only reason why they “rescue” her is because Bella is not as strong as a vampire, so she would automatically loose! Abortion is also discussed several times throughout Breaking Dawn. Even though Edward wants the thing pulled out, and Jacob does not understand why the vampires have not dealt with “the problem”, they both realize that it is Bella’s choice to keep the baby. In New Moon we also realize that women are the ones who are in charge. First, there is Jane, where we find out that she is the most powerful vampire because she can cause mental pain to anyone just by looking at them(in Breaking Dawn we learn that she can do it to many at one time). In Eclipse we realize that it was Victoria who made James’s coven strong. Even though James could track very well, it was Victoria who knew exactly when to get away. Remember, James is destroyed in Twilight when he is all alone. He didn’t know when to leave, although he did a great job at tracking Bella down. Then in Breaking Dawn, it is women front and center. Rosalie becomes Bella’s true protector, not Edward. It is Rosalie who stays with her and supports her from the get go. Once Jacob forms his own pack and he lets Leah become his Beta, things change. Remember all the chaos that was part of the wolf pack, we find out that once the reins are turned over to Leah, there is harmony and everything is in order between both packs. Alice is the one who sets out(with Jasper’s help) to find the answer to the question of Bella’s offspring. Last but not least, Bella becomes the strongest defensive Vampire, remember that she is able to protect not only Edward, but all the other vampires who were there to witness on the Cullens behalf. Please read all books before you comment. Oh, one last thing, when you are in love and your heart is broken, you do fall into a really bad depression. The feeling of loss or failure is a horrible one.

      • Jhg812

        Rosalie does indeed become Bella’s protectress of sorts, but it’s clearly stated several times that Rosalie does this only because she herself wants a baby. She hates Bella, which is also clearly stated many times.
        The women of Twilight are not all spineless; that’s true. But each (with the exceptions of Alice and Esmé) tends to fall into one or more of three categories: (1) spineless and/or absent-minded, (2) highly emotional and acting entirely on hormones, or (3) bloodthirsty and vengeful. Sad, but true.

      • rush

        though education is brought up in new moon, eclipce and in breaking dawn bella doesnt want to go. she has some wierd aversion toward being older than edward(even when he eplains that esme is three years older than carlile) she’s the only one with the issue, which is why i personally dont think she is as stong as people want her to be. i agree with the article. i’ve never viewed bella as a strong literary character. i mean aside from occasionally making dinner for charlie, her actions arnt remotley mature. she does have to be rescued by men all the time. she lets herself be treted like a fraglie little girl(reminds me of the girl in “the glass menagire” and even she wanted to see the world. but bella just wants her edward and doesnt really care about anything else, no education, not concern for her own safty(when she’s literally dyeing giving birth to her half vampire) if bella is a role model than the world is seriously in danger. but then againg americans have paquliar omodels

      • Xellina

        Thanks for setting the record straight. I thought Tina Jordan’s article was way off base. She’s probably just trying to pick Twilight in order to get more traffic to her article.

      • Von

        Amen, sister!!!

      • Spiderman

        Well said! The article is ridiculous.

      • sole

        I agree 100%.

      • kitkat18

        To Rosalie-
        You go girl!!!
        To Tina Jordan-
        Don’t write an article unless you’ve got the facts straight.

        I want to add something as well. Not all the male vampires have degrees. We never hear about Emmett and his education. We don’t even know if he went to college. Also, Carlisle has a medical degree because he wanted to be a doctor and he had about 300 years to study for it. Edward studied because he didn’t have a mate like the others. He had nothing else to do but learn. This is not about men being better educated than women.

      • laura

        Bravo!! … great respond.

      • Diana

        It does not state in the book that Rosalie only helps Bella because she wants the baby. Rosalie and Bella finally bond because Bella made the choice to keep her baby, which is what Rosalie would’ve done if she had ever had that chance.

      • Tina Is My Mom

        I would like to point out that she has read all the books and is just stating her opinion. It’s completely fine you have your own opinion, and that it’s different than hers, but that doesn’t mean you have to bash her opinion.

      • Hello

        Clearly she has read the books. Agreed with the above poster—everyone is entitled to their own opinions. That being said, to all who are making insulting comments, you don’t have to be nasty about it.

      • Raechel

        Go Rosalie i completely agree with everything that you said. Even though i will be the first to say that i am a fan of the series i can objectively look at both sides of things. But i must add there are a couple of things that i see wrong with the ‘bells is being abused argument’ first let me start of by saying that i think most people need to simply look at this story for what it is. Bella is in love with a vampire for god sake! So of course what would normally seem like abusive behavior is presented in this story! Now is there a ‘signs of abuse if you are in love with a vampire’ handbook? Because it is FICTIONAL and in my opinion i think there is something wrong with your children if their role models are women that live in a fictional story and are in love with vampires and werewolves!! Now with that said there are a few other things. Second it isn’t just the vampire men that have higher education it was mentioned atleast once that Rosalie also has a medical degree among many others as well, so i think the author of this article needs to read up a little about it. Second like char said i believe in a womens right to choose and clearly in the end BELLA choose what SHE wanted and who is anyone to judge with what she wants for her life! In the end of the story BELLA who was the weakest link ends of becoming the strongest and saves EVERYONE else (including the men in her life) from ultimate destruction. I just think that all this being hyped up to be way more than what it really needs to be!

      • lisa h.

        Thank you Rosalie for puting all the facts out there. People need to remember that there are alot of books that promote worst things then what are believed by some in the twilight series. It’s a good read and well played movie plot. Not real people and not a true story, Vampires and wolves and great action.

      • Luciene

        i agree with u rosalie.
        Edward its not abussive or a stalker, he loves bella a lot and he just wants to protect her of everything.
        when edwards leaves bella she got depress everyone got depress when your boyfriend dumps you or not?
        Beside she decided to keep the baby it was her choice.. edward did everything he can do to makes bella change her mind.. but it was her choice!!
        she also decided not to go to college because she was going to be a vampire and she didnt find a reason to continue with her studies!

        Please Tina Jordan dont write stupids articles like this!

        GO TWILIGHT!

      • ….

        What I think we all need to realize is that YES it’s okay to be depressed after your boyfriend breaks up with you, etc, etc. But Bella’s whole life revolves around Edward. You need to be yourself first.
        As has been stated before, if you don’t like the topic of the article…then don’t read it. What a concept.

      • Harley Q

        I’m right behind you Rosalie.

      • roni

        Rosalie, your comment was wonderful and very informative (to me because I haven’t read all of the books). I love the Twilight series because Bella is the center of all of the action and that’s great for girls/women.

      • Sarah

        Rosalie, Bella is freakin idiot. What I hated the most about her was her constant moping in New Moon. I’ve had my heard broken before but I didn’t mope around like that pathetic wet rag. I moved on with my life. And she can only function without Edward by turning to another man, Jacob. How pathetic is that? And what kind of message does that send to young girls?

      • Aly

        It’s one thing to be depressed after a breakup. It’s another thing to lose your will to live and become self-destructive. Not that there aren’t people who do that, but it is NOT normal healthy behavior. Also, there’s a saying that you can’t love someone else if you don’t love yourself. What Bella feels is infatuation, and it bugs me that people misconstrue unhealthy obsessive behavior as “true love.”

      • Team Edward

        I love the books and the movie. You also have to be a mom and teach your child the right and wrong of things and the meaning of fiction and non-fiction. So be a mom and stop your daughter from watching it if she thinks he is a stalker. He is not a stalker he loves and protects her.

    • Chris

      PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP POSTING THESE RIDICULOUS ARTICLES ON THE MOST OVERRATED SERIES IN THE HISTORY OF FILM AND LITERATURE!

      • ash

        i second that

      • Next up…

        Does Edward wipe with his left hand or his right?

      • Von

        Allthough you may not like these stories, your opionion on them being overrated is just as ridiculous. These books were written with teen girls in mind. It says A Lot when a story has crossover appeal for all ages. And not only females read these stories either.

      • Anne

        Next up, Is Edward a Coke or Pepsi type of man-vampire?
        Wait, he only drinks blood. Maybe a True Blood crossover?

      • @ Anne

        Please do not utter the greatness that is True Blood with this waste of a vampire series.

      • Chris

        Please.
        Somebody reported me to EW because I inferred that only homosexual men read/watch the series.
        “Ohhh, go tell mommy!”
        Ok, maybe that was a bit harsh but I was merely making the point that I originally made no such statement that only females are into this thing.
        Maybe I should’ve suggested that more sensitive men enjoy it?
        Happy?

      • Chris

        …and now my original statement is magically back.
        Hmph.

      • Ripley

        Um, if you don’t like it, why do you read about it, and post about it?

      • @ Ripley

        I can’t speak for others, but I usually like E Weekly, even pay for the magazine.
        Yet it has increasingly and alarmingly become Twilight centric. I understand that it has to report on something so successful, but it’s getting out of hand. Articles in response to articles in response to other articles. All to drum up comment wars.
        I comment to let the mag know some of us would like news about other movies/books/tv shows.

      • KaChing

        Mags only print what sells, and obviously any mention of Twilight draws readers like flies to batshizz. So why would EW fight their readership?

      • Chris

        These articles are fodder for a Twilight fan site, not an entertainment-centric site.
        This is pure overkill, plain and simple.
        This used to be the Time Magazine of entertainment and now it’s no better than Tiger Beat.

      • Hello

        This is a a free, online portion of the magazine. So it covers Twilight? If you don’t like this article, you don’t have to read it. There is still a great variety of entertainment in the magazine.

      • Anne

        Except that isn’t just the online portions of the magazine. This week new issue has all 3 on each separate “special edition” covers.
        http://perezhilton.com/2009-11-27-twilight-trinity-grace-ew

      • kat

        amen.
        I loved the first two books in high school, but I definitely got confused when it took off in this whole big media extravaganza.

      • Moonlight

        I support Bella’s desision. And I really don’t see the whole point of arguing over something so stupid! Bella made her choice, not you so you don’t really have the right to critize her choice. Nobody does only Bella does. Now will you please stop posting these stupid posts?

    • Michelle

      Okay, seriously, it’s fiction. It’s a book about vampires and werewolves. If you don’t want your kids reading a book where the girl wants to get the guy (or vampire) she loves above everything else – then don’t let them read it. If we went through every work of fiction ever written, we would find many, many stories of women who are obsessed with getting the guy, who don’t care if they go to college, etc…. This whole “Twilight is anti-feminist/Edward is abusive/Edward is a stalker” line is getting old… IT’S FICTION!!!!!!

      • Stacy

        I agree! Why are people reading SO much into these books! They are a bit of fluff! I love them because I can read them and get lost in the story. I don’t always like the way Bella is, but it doesn’t matter because it’s a book!!! Personally if it was me and I had a vampire who was willing to do anything and everything for me I’d take advantage!(buy me a new car, pay for my college, buy me presents!) But that wouldn’t make me a good role model would it?

      • Christina

        Michelle- People talk about the negative aspects of the books because they are targeted at an extremely impressionable audience. If an absurdly popular book series featured the main character having sex with dozens of people, doing all kinds of hard drugs, stealing, lying and basically acting terribly, would you really be upset at people pointing out these flaws because it’s fiction? I doubt it. Twilight IS anti-feminist (Bella is no where near an equal and constantly says lines like “I knew I wasn’t good enough for him”) and Edward IS abusive (he makes ALL of the decisions and forcibly stops Bella from seeing her friend because Edward has a personal prejudice), and Edward IS a stalker because, um, he stalks her. Duh. It doesn’t matter that it’s fiction and it doesn’t matter that they’re vampires/werewolves. Meyer writes the books with human emotions and human thought processes, so therefore their actions should be judged as if they were truly human.

      • Julie

        Stacy: Books are about life. Fiction or not. There is always an element of reality – just because vampires and werewolves don’t exist doesn’t mean that the human storyline isn’t palpable. The old saying goes: “Write what you know.”

        You do know that Buffy: The Vampire Slayer spawned a University course, right? Mythology and the ethos of the human spirit in the literary world is often dissected.

      • Fangirl108

        I completely agree! The books are fiction – science fiction FANTASY for crying out loud! Vampires and werewolves save Bella because they CAN not just because she needs it. In the books she drives all the time to and from school and work – she has a job! I never once thought about what this book was teaching me or anyone else only that it was very entertaining.
        Its all crazy talk!

      • machunny

        Michelle–It’s because 10-13 year olds are reading this stuff like it’s preaching the gospel. Girl wants what she wants and doesn’t care who she hurts to get it. She isn’t loyal, honest or trust worthy. She has brutal sex for the first time and says she doesn’t notice all the bruising, because it was the sex was with someone she loves. I could go on and on and on. It’s okay if you like it, or read it twice daily, no one cares a bit, except that the superfan’s writing is on par with the writer’s. It’s your choice. However, Bella is NOT a good role model for the young girls who are reading these books. They are advertised in Scholastic flyers, sold at Elementary book fairs, and read by THIRD graders–all the time. Parents are some how confused into thinking the moral message is good because Bella waits until after marriage for sex, not realizing all the other garbage the girls are getting before-hand. And when a guy (vampire, whatever) is watching my daughter sleep, disabling her car, following her and her friends, I will file a restraining order, not think “oh, cool; she’s a girl in love”, as so many of the posters on this very page have proudly proclaimed.

      • chickie1105

        Well said Michelle.
        @machunny for the record, 10-13 year olds should NOT be reading these books. They’re in the young adult novel section for a reason. They’re meant for older teenage girls, who obviously don’t look to FICTIONAL characters as a role model. Please. If mother’s have a problem with these books, then they shouldn’t let their girls read them. (I read the first book when it was first published in 2006, and I was 16).

      • Ambient Lite

        Yeah, I’d have to wonder where the 3rd graders parents are.
        I would also like to add that the books were originally submitted by Stephenie Meyer as ADULT FICTION, and the publisher opted to attempt to tweak it to appeal to a younger audience.
        I kinda wished that wouldn’t have happened. I would have liked to read it pre-tweak – not to mention the fact that this outrageous debate about whether the characters are good role models would NOT be happening.

      • Fangirl108

        Amen chickie1105. See Rebekka’s comments below. These books should not be read by under 13 year olds. I can’t see how they could understand them or even like them.

      • machunny

        @Chickle–
        I know who should be reading these things (or, better said, who should not be), that was not my point. I’ll try again: There has been a mass marketing campaign, which you may have inadvertently missed, that has ‘Twilight’ on the cover of every other school girl’s backpack, lunchbox, and bed pillow. These books are advertised for sale in Scholastic flyers, and in ELEMENTARY school book fairs. I know because I am there. As parents, we try to read what our children read, or at least educate ourselves. MANY of my friends have allowed their Elementary school girls read these books because they believe the message of ‘no sex before marriage’ is a good one, and they are ignorant of the other messages propagated in the books. They are not aware of the controlling nature of dear Edward, the total lack of self-worth of dear Bella, or the fact that Bella’s dad for whatever reason thinks that his daughter being kissed against her will is a thing to celebrate. Again, if you had a daughter, I hope you will trust me when I say you wouldn’t want this stuff marketed to her. And it is–everywhere, every day. Friends who have not allowed their under-12 daughters to read these books have been met with tremendous protest (and there’s only two I can name, every other 11-12 year old girl I know has read them). For those who sing the old “at least they are reading” song, I would beg to differ. Parents should monitor their school age child’s reading to ensure it is age-appropriate. Teenagers are a different animal, but it is not only the teens who are reading this, and that’s where my concern lies.

      • Ambient Lite

        machunny, Bella’s dad does NOT celebrate the fact that she was kissed against her will. He celebrates that she punched the guy who did it.
        I don’t think anyone would argue that these books are inappropriate for anyone under 13, and they shouldn’t be marketed to a younger group either. Your friends that allow their young children to read this are idiots.

      • machunny

        @ Ambient Lite
        Wow. I don’t know why I’m posting this, because you are obviously not hearing me, and have resorted to name-calling. My friends, and I, are all highly educated, well-informed gals, and raising lovely young women, thanks very much.
        As I said above, this dreck is marketed to young girls, and nearly everyone I know has read “Twilight”, and allowed their daughters to continue reading, even if they chose not to. In many cases parents simply take the word of other parents for the quality of books. Few people I know have time to read each and every word their children read, yet we make every attempt to keep up with their reading choices. In many cases it comes down to trust. If your child is taken into her school library during the library’s annual book fair (as every child in our district’s elementary schools do) and allowed to purchase books (which nearly all do), parents assume the books are age appropriate. I would make the same, reasonable, assumption myself. My children read books from their library and from their book fairs, and I typically don’t read them first at the Elem. school age. I suppose in your sheltered world it is possible for physicians and engineers to take the time to read “the Lightening Thief,” “39 Clues” and whatever else comes through the door, but unfortunately that is not possible (or desirable). Even people with doctorates have to trust others to look out for the well-being of their children throughout the day, and when ‘Twilight’ is so omni-present, it has made its insidious way into our children’s lives, whether we want it to be so, or not. The ‘Edward’ doll is exactly NEXT to the Barbie dolls in Target, the lunch boxes are everywhere, etc. When this message is out there and the masses are devouring it, it is right to ask whether it is a good message for our girls to be consuming, and have a discussion about the proper ages for consumption. I stand by my assertion that the Bella/Edward relationship is abusive, and not a good message for any age group, yet teenagers obviously should be given the opportunity to read it. However, it is heavily marketed to FAR younger girls, and you well know it, and it is a destructive message to be imparting to girls of such an impressionable age. You have yet to lead enough life to call others idiots, dearie. Raise a well-adjusted child yourself and then one day you may feel free to cast stones.

      • Ambient Lite

        What the hell are you so upset with me about? Your friends are letting their way too young children read these books because they think there’s a message of abstinence?!? Your message led me to believe that you also disagree with that. Why in the world would you or your friends not be able to keep CHILDREN under age 13 from reading the Twilight books??? Do you also just throw up your hands and let your elementary age children watch the Saw movies? Seriously, what the hell are you driving at?
        By the way, I’m raising TWO well adjusted children and I make damn sure they’re exposed to a variety of literature and other artistic influences – NOT including Twilight.

      • Ambient Lite

        and machunny, I’m telling you all of this being someone who – unlike yourself – has read every bit of those book and seen the movies: They are NOT appropriate for anyone at the elementary school level. YOU need to empower yourself as a parent. If elementary school book fair brings them or your school carries those books in the library, you need to make it very clear to the librarian, teacher, and principal that you don’t think they’re appropriate for your kids, given their age. You obviously feel VERY strongly about the influence of this series – so instead of barking at me, do something constructive.
        No one – not the media, not the doll shelf at Target, not the school – is feeding Twilight to your children. Assume some parental responsibility.

      • chickie1105

        @machunny- unfortunately no I have not missed this marketing campaign. I have noticed the new focus on a younger audience. I wouldn’t necessarily blame so much the books on this as much as the poor mess of a movie franchise Twilight has become. I guess you could say I’m more of a purist, in the sense that I absolutely love the books. But I cannot overlook the major flaws in the movies. The poor acting, the horrible script, & the pathetic special effects. Even worse than this, it seems Summit Entertainment decided to take a fresher approach with the series and advertise it to a younger crowd. This is where the problem comes in for parents. Sure, I understand how the marketing and movies can mislead one to believe they’re okay for younger girls to read. But it’s still the parent’s responsibility to check the books first. I guess my point is, you can’t blame the Stephanie Meyer’s and the series itself for leading parents to believe its okay for younger kids to read.

      • TATAMISHA

        I THINK WHO EVER IS WRITTING THIS CRAP IN A LIFE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS MOVIE IS JUST A MOVIE AND THATS IT STOP F ING UP A GOOD MOVIE

    • Mary

      From the first question, this whole article is moot, in New Moon, it’s Bella that saves Edward, Bella is not continually saved by a man. And they do talk about college, Edward desperately wants Bella to go college but she doesn’t want to!

      • SaraG

        Thank you for pointing that out! Where would Edward be if Bella had not run to his rescue? Also, the entire point of her saying she’s not good enough for him is so that she will see, eventually, that she is exactly what he wants. Also, let’s not forget that your average 17-year-old doesn’t always act rationally. I think her flaws are completely realistic and make her relatable to the high school audience. I’m almost 30 and I remember feeling the SAME way about my first real love!

      • Anne

        I find it troubling that they want to DIE without the other. Love shouldn’t be so consuming that you literately can’t live without them.

      • ann

        she saves them in eclipse, too, by distracting victoria and allowing edward to move in for the kill.

      • Rachel

        @Anne-
        It’s a story ABOUT all-consuming love! I don’t see anyone getting all up in arms about Romeo and Juliet dying for each other and it’s considered one of the best love stories of all time!

      • TATAMISHA

        THIS MOVIE IS CAUSING PEOPLE TOO TAKE THIS TOO SERIOUS AND AS FOR THE BELLA THING SHE IS SUPOSE TO BE CLUMSY AND FALL ALL THE TIME THAT IS HOW STEPHINE WANTS IT TO BE I LIKE A STRONG MAN TO SAVE ME AS LONG AS HE WANTS TOO WEMAN ASK FOR STRONG MEN AND CAN’T HANDLE IT WHEN THEY DO COME ALONE AND EDWARD TOLD BELLA HE WAS PROTECTIVE OF HER FROM THE BEGINNING SO THERE.

      • kortne

        yeah tina needs to get it right or shut it

      • Car

        i think the film is de best evr i tink tolayr is fit it wud make u boy crazy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lol hahaha

    • TruthTeller

      I’ll say it again … a fictional story about mythical creatures written by a woman from a fake religion. That should answer all of the questions in this article.

      • Julie

        Wow… fake religion? I’m an atheist, but to call a whole religion “fake” as a defence for your inarticulate hate is disgusting.

      • crispy

        But Mormonism is fake! Their entire belief system is based on the lies of a snake oil salesman who wanted to marry multiple wives. That’s historical fact. Of course, all religions are essentially fake.

      • lisa h.

        Anna, love is consuming. True love is exciting and scary,I feel that way about my husband everyday. We live for eachother and dont want to live without eachotther. Not to say we will kill ourselves but the point is there. By the way, who said Bella was a role model? Parents should not have there kids looking to 19 year olds as role models period, no matter how good they are, or not!

      • ann

        your ignorance is astounding and your hatred is disgusting. don’t believe things you read on the internet. what you call “historical fact” is anything but. and to the person that calls all religions fake… i can call your disbelief “fake” too.

      • TruthTeller

        Crispy is dead on. Nothing in Mormonism can be scientifically verified. Joseph Smith = PT Barnum

      • @Truth Teller

        Uh, nothing in any religion can be “scientifically verified”. That’s why it’s a religion, not science. You ever seen any scientific evidence on Jesus being raised from the dead?

      • TruthTeller

        No, but science has proven that an individual named Jesus did exist and that he did go to certain places. Just like science can prove that an individual named Mohammed existed. No one has (or can) scientifically prove that Jewish Native Americans gave anybody gold tablets. The fact that the “religion” stresses that new prophecies supercede old prophecies demonstrates that it was made up for the benefit of Joseph Smith and his cronies. The present leaders are simply inheriting that rich fraud and benefiting from it.

    • Silv

      OMG- really? Another discussion of the “message” the now so-called “abusive” Edward-Bella relationship is sending to “young girls”? Fine, let’s resolve this. Who are the “young girls” we’re all worrying about? Daughters? Sisters? Good. TALK TO THEM. Discuss the books & movies, make sure to point out 1) they are FICTIONAL, 2) humans & our relationships are never perfect, 3) no male, whether 17, 117, or anywhere in between, will ever come close to being the perfect ideal they think Edward is, 4) Bella’s perceived faults/weaknesses as you see them, 5) obsessive relationships can be dangerous (and why), 6) Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart are NOT Edward and Bella, they are actors playing parts. If you’re really into the subject, start a freaking book club discussion. That being done, let’s put this to REST!

      • shannon

        I second your opinion Silv. Where are the parents in this? If you’re concerned about the message you perceive in the books, don’t let your kids read them. Or, talk to them about the books and use them to open a frank and honest discussion with them about what is acceptable in a relationship. What better way to start a dialogue with your kids about such an important topic than to tie it to something they’re probably already raving about?

      • Rachel

        Here Here!!!! I love Twilight…..a lot! But enough is enough! All these comments on all these articles are just the same redundant arguments!

    • Yvette

      Edward is not a stalker….first of all Bella is accident prone and he knows this so he is looking out for her. I did not see any abuse in the story line not sure where some are assuming she was abused. Bella was very in love with Edward maybe to the point of obssesed in love maybe that she would do anything to be with him. This is just my point of view from reading all the books.

      • Yvonne or Vonnie

        I agree because in Twilight Bella figures out that Edward is a vampire, and then nearly dies by a car. Next by James. Last by Edward. Who almost sucked all of her blood out of her body.

        *SPOILER ALERT* In New Moon Edward leaves her because he thought his world shouldn’t interfere with hers, but Bella is friends with a werwolf so Alice can’t see her visions when Bella’s near Jacob. So she goes cliffdiving and nearly dies AGAIN but this time from the waves and Victoria(James mate)was swimming towards her, but of coarse she was saved by Jake. Alice saw that and Edward tried to kill himself so they save him AGAIN almost died.

        *SPOILER ALERT* But in Eclipse Victoria comes back for Bella AGAIN for her vengence on Edward, so she made a army full of newborn vampires. But Rose, Emmett, Alice, Jazz, Esme, Carlise, and the wolves help to slay them all, but Bella ends up kissing Jake(FOR WHATEVER REASON) so he’s happy but he gets hurt. Then Victoria comes and fights Edward while a newborn named Riley fought Seth(a young werwolf). they win all newborns are gone except a young newborn who surrendered and her name was Bree. But the Volturi came and killed Bree.

        *SPOILER ALERT* Then there’s there wedding that Edward told Bella to do IF she wanted to be a vampire. ofcoarse she does it. They went on there honeymoon and Bella got Pregnant but she calls Rosalie. Who dosn’t give a *BEEP* what happens to Bella she just wanted the baby. So she has the baby finds out shes has no menom and they think they have a happily ever after…WRONG. Irina comes and tells the Volturi about Reneesmee and how she thinks she’s a Vampire baby but she not she’s human and a vampire so they get witnesses and they help with this situation but Alice leave when she finds out Irina came so she started looking for another vampire/human and finds one. But while she’s running back the Voturi are back…yet again and was going to fight the cullens and there witnessses knowing they would loose. But Irina dies cause they figured out it wasn’t true. So Alice comes back and saves the day and then it was all good until it said “The End”

    • Zedile

      You know what, EW? This is really starting to irritate me, have you fallen so far that you resort to being professional trolls? Your posting stuff that deliberately instigates both sides. These are all topics that have been discussed before and better on other sites, see impshida, Cleolinda, the Spoony Ones excellent review of New Moon, and the You Are Bella videos on Youtube. I haven’t looked for the pro topics, but you can find them i’m sure.

      And the point about getting kids to read isn’t a good one. If they would actually read better stuff, yes, but all it’s teaching them to read is the Twinkies of the literature world, House of Night, Mortal Instruments, Blue Bloods, Wicked Lovely, Vampire Academy, and other YA before they move on to Harlequin Romance, Oprah Book Club, and New York Times bestsellers exclusively when they grow up. Not that theres anything wrong with this, I enjoy those series as I used to enjoy Twilight before it got shoved down my throat, but it seems to be making reading a fad more than anything, it makes me think of the episode where Bobby joins the Christian Youth Group.

    • Dunia Puisi Ku My Poetry World

      I really enjoy this series. Really blow up my mind

    • Trish

      I think one thing people forget to look at is who the author is. So many of the themes in the book seem to go along with religious morals of Christianity, and LDS in particular. The keeping the baby, waiting until marriage for sex, the woman being protected by the man. It;s not hard to see that within the book she was making a little bit of a commentary on the life choices she thinks women should make. BTW I actually liked the books, I’m just saying.

    • Donna

      First of all: these books are fun to read. They are escapist fantasy and not meant to be read as social commentary. They are not pieces of great literature meant to inform and educate. Meyer is not writing to tell teenage girls how they should feel, or act in a relationship. She is not advising or advocating that they marry right out of highschool, forgo a college education, get pregnant, and refuse to abort a life-threatening pregnancy. Bella is a *fictional* character, set in a *fictional* world, and her thoughts/feelings/decisions are made in a *fictional* set of circumstances that I highly doubt could be replicated in real life, as they involve Vampires, Werewolves, telepathy, and quite possibly every vampire cliche and romantic hyperbole ever written. Cliche’s and hyperbole that go back further than Romeo and Juliet- how many of you concerned feminists are protesting high school lit classes for including that play in the ciriculum? Or, since the Bard also penned “The Taming of the Shrew” along with a number of other plays rather offensive to women perhaps we should ban his works all together?

      If parents/guardians have concerns over the portrayal of relationships, sex, etc. they should simply take the time to talk to their children about these concerns, rather than expecting teenage romance/ vampire fantasy fiction to parent for them. Frankly I think it’s more harmful for people to take these books so seriously. If we treat them as what they are- escapist fiction meant to entertain and not educate, and laugh at them rather than critique, we will all be much better off. As a former teenage girl I also find it rather offensive that you think their collective judgement is so poor that they cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction. If you think they can’t perhaps you should simply throwback to the days when women were not permitted to read fiction, as it was considered to be harmful to their delicate, sensitive, minds; and a corrupting influence on their fragile powers of reason and morality.

      • Jen

        Donna- I just wanted to say that Romeo and Juliet has been, and continues to be a controversial romance and is discussed as such in many, if not all English classes that cover it. The topic of what ‘healthy love’ is and what ‘obsessive love’ is, is what young girls ( and boys) need to think about. The Twilight series opens many useful doors for these topics- topics which will always be relevant. As far as Taming of the Shrew goes, I very much do NOT see the story as anti-feminist ( remember all the suffering Kate went through, her husband subjected himself to as well- in the end Kate understands what it takes to be a good partner: she can treat her man as a “King” as he treats her as a “Queen.” Of course, that play is so misunderstood and misinterpreted so often. Look to what is between the lines. This is how parents and educators can guide young people through the Twilight series, as well.
        I am so interested in the appeal of the Twilight series- seems young girls have the same romantic inclinations today as they always have! The scariest part of Romeo and Juliet AND the Twilight series is the willingness to die for love. This can be a black and white idea for the young mind- when in essence it is a very complex topic and needs adult wisdom in perspective. I hope parents take note of how popular the Twilight saga is and WHY. (hey, if we could figure that out, we’d all be as rich and lucky as Stephanie Meyer- good for her.)
        It is very nice to see a good modern comparison for Romeo and Juliet. Good ficiton is always rooted in truth- in this case the fantasy element provides the setting for emotional truth, and whether we like it or not the first strong love or crush for someone can happen behind the parents’ backs and with life threatening secrets. So, let’s keep trying to figure out why young people ( in any day and age) can be so vulnerable when in ‘love.’

    • Ben

      Meyer’s books are fantasy, and they are as appealing to the market as they are beautifully woven. While the series is entertaining,it is also disturbing. To be fair, Meyer gives readers a notion of what romantic relationships could be like, werewolves and vampires aside. She writes about a need that can well..almost never be found in a social setting. We watched enough of the world spiralling into emotional depravity. Books like that are an escape, but only for awhile..

    • Zoey

      Sigh I am so sick of this series. I don’t even know why I clicked this. Oh right, boredom and a little sadism. Anyway, I don’t think it matters. We could all argue for centuries and it still wouldn’t matter. Girls adore this kind of mindless sh*t, for some strange reason, so who’s to stop them? Go ahead and get abused and live in a fantasy world. Have fun when you wake up one day and realize perfection doesn’t exist in reality.

  • Keira

    Hellooo!!! Can you please put that this has spoilers! I have not read books 3 and 4. Thank you sooo much for ruining it.

    • Kwise

      No kidding! Even though it says “spoiler alert” now, I did NOT REALIZE you were going to be revealing spoilers from books 3 and 4. I assumed this was a New Moon spoiler alert, and since I’ve read New Moon, I’d be fine. I think you need to make your spoiler alert notice BIGGER, more prominent, and make it crystal clear that you’re giving away things from future books/movies. D-A-M-N you for RUINING the surprise for me, AARRGGGHHH!!!!

      • Seriously

        No.. I mean seriously? How long has the book been out? If you got spoiled…its your fault at this point

      • Daniel

        I’m just going to go ahead and copy and paste from the actual article:

        “SPOILER ALERT FROM ECLIPSE AND BREAKING DAWN!!!”

      • Keira

        Actually they just put that spoiler alert quote in AFTER I read it and brought it to EW’s attention. And sad to say, but I do have some life and have not read books 3 and 4. How crazy of me, that I’ve been trying to also read some real literature. (No offense Stephenie Meyers.)

      • S

        Yeah, it’s not her fault that you read ahead past the spoiler alert?

      • Julie

        Ladies…don’t frequent an entertainment magazine (or website) if you don’t want to find spoilers. That’s the nature of the beast. Quit whining about it.

    • steph

      the series has been done for like a year now. i think the statute of limitations for posting spoiler alerts has passed.

    • lulu

      Can you not read the words SPOILER ALERT in the article as well ast the post you are complaining about?

  • alex

    they do talk about her maybe going to college at some point i think.. but it does get brushed aside eventually

    • Sarah

      Spoiler for Keira! :) Doesn’t college get brushed aside because she is a new vampire? I feel like the other vampires have all the degrees because they have been around forever.

      • Vicky

        So Quil’s inpnimtirg on Claire thing didn’t get mentioned, or did they just tone it down?

    • crispy

      The only person who talks about college is Edward. Bella’s too busy cooking meals for all the men in Twilight.

      • whiskey

        Could people please stop taking this series so seriously? It’s a love story about a vampire and a human, with a werewolf thrown in for good measure. IT’S NOT REAL. Parents, please tell your daughters IT’S NOT REAL. I’m sure they get it already, anyway. Glory.

      • crispy

        The only thing sadder than the blatant misogyny in Twilight are the people who scream “IT’S ONLY A BOOK!” As if books never influenced anyone. Books have a far-reaching impact in shaping society and young minds, moreso than any other medium. The Bible, Fahrenheit 451, Gone With the Wind, The Fountainhead, Are You There God? It’s Me Margaret, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, The Origin of Species, etc, etc, etc. I swear, did you people not finish high school?

      • hr

        thank you, crispy. this has been my argument all along and all i get is “read the books!” (i have) and “your [sic] stupid” people really need to look into what they are reading.

      • JustJess

        They may just be books, but as a college sophomore I have seen an incredible amount of girls in high school and now in college who truly believe that Edward is the perfect man. I’m worried for them if that is the kind of guys they are looking for.

        After my 15 year old little sister read the first two books I sat down and had a serious talk to her about what a healthy romantic relationships look like and the reasons Edward is far from the perfect guy.

      • Ambient Lite

        Books do obviously influence people. I haven’t swallowed meat (other than crispy’s) since I read The Jungle in 9th grade.
        HOWEVER, I think there has to be some degree of reader responsibility. Young adult readers are capable of distinguishing fantasy from fact. At that age, they’re psychologically advanced enough to look at characters – whether in a book or movie – and decide whether the behaviors and actions that said character exhibits is something they want to emulate themselves or seek out in other people.

      • crispy

        No, not all young adult readers are that capable. These Twilight threads should make that abundantly clear.

      • maggie

        The only person Bella cooks for is her dad because he can’t cook. And if I remember correctly, doesn’t Edward cook a meal for her even though he can’t eat it?!

        And Bella has no interest in going to college – it’s Edward who pushes the subject because he wants her to live and experience life before becoming a vampire. She can go to college afterwards, it’s just that the transformation might take years for her to be able to interract with humans without wanting to drain them.

      • Ambient Lite

        But then did these books fail those readers? Or was it something/someone else?

      • crispy

        Of course the books failed their readers!

      • Ambient Lite

        See, I disagree. I think those rearing the readers failed them. And maybe some of the readers are just stupid kids. That happens too.

      • crispy

        I suppose I can get on board with that. It’s not like I think the books should be banned or anything… I just wish more kids would admire books with stronger role models than Bella Swan.

      • Ambient Lite

        Well, I do too!
        I had to laugh thinking back to books I loved at that tween/teen age, though. They all sucked.
        The funniest example I can think of is “The Thorn Birds”. It certainly wasn’t new, but I loved it and I read it over and over. I mean, can you think of anything more effed up than a love story between a priest and a little girl???
        I loved Meggie, the Cleary’s, and I loved Father Ralph. But I certainly did NOT grow up and try to emulate any part of that garbage.
        I guess I would hope today’s tweens/teens could distinguish as well.

      • crispy

        I have been pleasantly surprised by the teens who speak up and say they’re appalled by Bella’s behavior. But for every one of those comments, there are 20 others with silly, all-capped comments like EDWARD IS DA BEST!

      • Ambient Lite

        Despite being a fan of the series, I too get a smile out of a defiant little teen hater. I’m just thrilled that they are intelligent enough to make that decision on their own and strong enough to refute peer pressure.
        The others…well…you know those stupid kids I mentioned earlier?

      • Molly

        Crispy, can I assume that since you’re so concerned about these mixed messages, that you’ll be starting a teen discussion of the books at your local library? With a list of those books containing strong, positive storylines to guide young minds? Where can I sign up?

      • crispy

        I’ll do you one better… my books will have strong female role models.

      • AshKev

        I have to agree with most here, if you are so worried about the college thing, apparently you haven’t read these books. On a second note, I’m assuming most of us are adults here, have you not compromised yourself for the one you love? Have you not changed your lifestyle in any way to be with the one you love? Please, point out to me, ONE leading lady in a book that completely stayed true to herself and never compromised her life and beliefs to be with the one she loves! There are none! When you don’t make compromises, you end up alone. I hope this isn’t what your teaching your kids? To be selfish. “It’s my way or the highway” doesn’t work in the real world. And is there truly something wrong in a relationship when a man wants to save a woman and protect her? The only reason Edward doesn’t want her around Jacob surely isn’t a preconceived hatred of wolves, it’s because he is young, and can lose his temper at a moments notice. Remember Emily?

      • Chappel

        “Please, point out to me, ONE leading lady in a book that completely stayed true to herself and never compromised her life and beliefs to be with the one she loves!”?

        Dagny Taggart, Friday Jones and I’m sure many, many more.

      • Ambient Lite

        AshKev, I like your point, I think it’s interesting. We DO typically sacrifice something of ourselves for those we love.

      • Donna

        @Crispy
        No one is saying books can not be influential and important. Merely that these particular books are not in the same league as those that shape society and that the people who read them are smart enough to tell the difference.

    • Diggity

      College comes up A LOT in Eclipse. Their whole plan is to go to Dartmouth. And she didn’t want to be “that girl” who got married right out of high school, but she wanted to do Edward (who doesn’t?) and he’s an old fashioned kind of guy, so he insisted if they were going to get freaky, they have to get married. Not her fault.

      • kate

        Right. I think we can all agree that they talk about college and that bella says she doesn’t want to get married but… you can’t deny the fact that Bella’s feelings about these things are for the most part motivated by her desire to be with edward and her irrational fear of growing older. She marries him because she’s horny… oh that makes sense… she wants to go to college and stay human a little while longer cause she’s horny…right… she wants to keep her baby b/c she images it will come out like a little mini edward. Look I’m all for romanticism. I absolutely loved twilight but you can’t argue that the Bella Edward relationship is a healthy one and as someone who adored the books I think I can see why people are so worried that their relationship might be viewed by teenagers girls as aspirational. As a teenager it is easy to get swept up in a romantic fantasy and you don’t have the life experience to contrast it with.

      • Diggity

        Im not saying the relationship is that healthy. I’m just saying she didn’t marry him becuase of some female role she wanted to play. She just wanted some tail.

      • ???

        As someone who actually got into Dartmouth, I have to wonder how exactly Bella would have got in. I had to do a bit more than drool after vampires and read Bronte.

      • Fangirl108

        Bahaha! The rich vampires were making a huge donation to the school – remember that? That’s how she was getting in.

      • whiskey

        Bella is a relatively good student in the series, but the truth of her getting into Dartmouth is that Edward bribed the admissions committee :)

  • Kal

    I do agree about Bella always needing a man (Edward or Jacob) in her life or else she falls apart. However, Edward does want Bella to go to college…she refuses.

    • Silke

      Well, I agree with what you wrote, but not with all of it. Regardless, it’s all eclxelent material. Thanks!

  • sam

    Just a few corrections.
    “…nary a word breathed about higher education.” Wrong. Bella’s college education is hugely discussed in both Eclipse and Breaking Dawn.
    As far as the abortion thing…well, I have to ask, have you read the books? Because, again, that topic is addressed in Breaking Dawn. A lot.

    • Tina Jordan

      Yes: College is brought up and dismissed. And I didn’t say abortion was never brought up, either — I know that Edward begged her to have one. I’m saying — clumsily, I know — that she never really considers either one, and that makes her a poor role model for teenaged girls (choosing to forgo college is one thing, but risking your life for an unborn child is quite another).

      • whiskey

        Really? I imagine that some women, feminists even, would beg to differ. I’d probably risk my life for my unborn child, and I happen to be politically liberal and have 2 college degrees. Your opinions are just that…they’re not universally-held beliefs.

      • Erin Nolan

        What bothers me so much about the baby storyline in Breaking Dawn is her not only willingness, but DESIRE to die (Yes, I know, it’s not death to her, it’s an immortal life with Edward, but it has to appear as a death to the rest of her friends and family, so it still counts). Bella’s relationship with Edward brings out suicidial tendencies that keep emerging throughout the series and they are depicted as signs of “true love”.

      • Rebekka

        I for one am disgusted with you! I DID risk my life to have my daughter! I tried for years to have her and I was not about to abort her because it MAY/MAY NOT harm/kill me! Now… I am healthy and she is beautiful and the best thing that ever happened to me! The Twilight Saga is NOT real! What you are doing here is only encouraging kids to put more thought into it! Get off your high horse! It is FICTION!!!! FAKE!!!! Move on! I for one love the Twilight Saga, but I know the difference between real life and fantasy! If parents are having a problem with their kids not differentiating then it is on THEM the PARENTS! We are responsible for our own children! No one else! If someone wants to write a book they have every right to write it about whatever they want! You say you have teenage daughters? Well TALK to them! Ask them if they know the difference! Be a part of their lives! THAT is where SO many parents go wrong! BE THERE!!! Fantasy won’t be such a problem!

      • Abbey

        Like stated above, the vamps have tons of education bc they have been around for a long time. True, she isn’t serious about college directly after high school. But I don’t find it written anywhere that you are required to go to college to be a feminist. Feminism is about having choices. Another one of those choices is being able to choose whether or not to keep a baby that may be detrimental to your own health. You might make a different decision, but I don’t think hers is irresponsible. And I don’t think “risking your life for an unborn child” makes a person a poor role model (for the record, I am pro-choice). Finally, it is a book, a fantasy, and all of the characters are not going to be P.C. If they were, it would be infinitely boring.

      • emily

        I believe the contrary – Bella is a good role model for young girls by deciding to keep her child and risk her life for her child’s sake. As a pregnant woman in a married relationship she has the right to decide to keep her child. I also happen to be a feminist and hold a college degree. I believe that many women would strongly disagree with your assessment of this situation.

      • Akin

        @ Whiskey, you’d risk your life for a baby even if it was a monster growing inside you and killing you? Please, get real.

      • Diggity

        I’d never concider having an abortion. I guess I am a bad role model. You, Tina, are a really stupid and ignorant person. I have nothing else to bother saying to you.

      • stella

        Ms. Jordan,
        What exactly are you implying about women who are willing to risk their lives for their unborn children?

      • Heather2

        Yeah, because killing the child growing inside her just so that she can go to college and get an education is such the better choice to make. WTF, Ms. Jordan? Are you kidding me? And this issue that I am having has nothing to do with Twilight. So your problem is that she did NOT abort the child all to be more of an independent woman and further her career? Again WTF?
        I have my own career and consider myself very independent, but I also have a family that I put before anything.
        I am so sick and tired of all this feminist BS.
        Twilight is FICTION. It is meant to be taken that way. I guess they need to put a disclaimer on the front of the books that says HEY MORONS, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION THIS STORY IS A WORK OF FICTION, JUST IN CASE YOU DID NOT GATHER THAT FROM THE STORYLINE BEING ABOUT VAMPIRES AND WEREWOLVES.
        Just another stupid, idiotic, lame reason for all the people out there that already hate Twilight to despise it even more. :(

      • crispy

        You’re sick of feminist BS? Oh really. In that case, I must insist you quit your job. Give up your driver’s license. You most certainly cannot vote. And while we’re at it, shut your trap and put on this burqa.

      • Heather2

        Crispy, you and I basically live on two different galaxies of thought. I don’t even know why you reply to me anymore, because you know that we are going to disagree.

        I have never come across a person like you that I have disagreed more with on anything … except maybe Lost.

        Can there not be a middle ground on anything. Does it have to be one extreme or the other?

        And yes, to answer your original question, I am sick of the feminist BS. I feel that I am a strong independent female, but I guess I am also weak because I have a husband and a small child that I would sacrifice my job and my life for. And I know that doesn’t fall under the feminist bull crap that all of these people are preaching about.

        I have never seen Bella as a weak character. But I also have never seen her as a role model to put on a pedestal because she definitely has issues. But she becomes this strong willed character that fights for what she loves and wants throughout the series. I guess it is a weakness to love someone that much. :(

      • crispy

        You’re right, that comment was kind of a low blow. But I was trying to make a point… it’s not cool to completely dismiss feminism like you do. If it wasn’t for feminist thought, you wouldn’t enjoy a lot of the freedoms you take for granted. And I don’t have a problem with young girls and women enjoying Twilight… as long as they understand that these characters and their relationships are flawed… which was really the point of this thread. But anyways, we’ll just talk about Lost from now on!

      • Heather2

        Crispy, I think we are having a moment because I agreed with everything that you just said.
        Yes, as a strong independent, career-driven woman, I appreciate where feminism has gotten us thus far. I do recognize it and love that women before me blazed paths for me to be where I am today.
        But with that being said, geez some people take it way too far.
        I don’t worship the ground that Bella walks on … or Edward … or Jacob. All of the characters have serious issues. But that makes them who they are.
        But I do commend Bella for loving someone so much and fighting for what she wants. But that is just my opinion.
        And I also agree with you that some Twilight fans on here can be a bit overbearing and much at times. We tend to have a strange fandom at times.

      • crispy

        LOL, hooray for public discourse! The truth is I don’t really care as much about Twilight as it seems. I read it, formed an opinion about it, moved on. It’s just that EW posts about it so much, it’s all a bit overbearing. And for the record, I kinda dig the Volturi. :)

      • Heather2

        Well, yippee. Who says we can’t all get along?
        And agree, the Volturi were definitely one of my favorite parts, especially Dakota.
        Hey, look at it this way, when all this NM stuff dies down in the next couple of weeks, we can always argue about Lost on Doc Jensen’s posts. :)

      • Ambient Lite

        I liked the portrayal of the Volturi in New Moon. I think they did a great job and managed to wrangle some excellent actors for the parts.
        I also liked the Romanian vamps from BD, and think it would be interesting to see how they translate to the screen (although everything else about seeing a Breaking Dawn movie makes me want to curl up in a ball and shudder myself to sleep).

      • Ashley

        I think that is simply a question of opinion, as there are many women who might risk their own life if it meant the health of their child, unborn or not. Either way, these opinions are all silly because Twilight is a piece of fiction. Contrary to what you clearly believe, it is possible for girls between the ages of 10-18 to actually be intelligent, and it is possible that they could read these books and not immediately declare Bella as their number one role model. I’ve read all of them and enjoyed them, but I never saw Bella in that way and I never looked up to her and who she is as a woman. The truth is, it’s stupid to write all these in-depth articles about Twilight, because it isn’t an in-depth book. Stephenie Meyer wasn’t trying to make a statement on feminism, one way or the other. She was trying to write an engaging, entertaining book for teenaged girls, one that would make young people want to pick up a book. Which isnt supposed to be derogatory towards all high schoolers, but I do go to one and can tell you that only about 25% read on a regular basis. However, about 90% of the girls I know read the Twilight series. Stop overanalyzing it, EW. I swear people will find ANY excuse to stir something up.

      • Fangirl108

        This comment sickens me. I think about any mother would risk her life for her child born or unborn. I like everything Rebekka has to say – she is so right.

      • Heather2

        Ambient Life,
        Boy do I agree with you there. People are already finding fault in these movies. Wait till they see BD translated on film. That is going to be interesting to say the very least.
        I may be a Twilight fan, but even I can admit that BD is mucked up three ways from Sunday. Sure there are parts that I thoroughly enjoy, but overall, with each chapter, you can’t help but ask “WTF.”

      • lisa h.

        Why do you insist that all woman in a book or movie be role models. Who would you say was the role model in SAW? Hope no one lets there kids of any age watch that. They just might cut off someones hand or put a bomb around someones neck till they cure cancer!

      • Jenny

        I’m with you, Heather2! I am also sick of all the feminist baloney. Not all feminists have to be of the bra-burning, man-hating type of the 1960s and 1970s. I don’t agree with them anyway.

      • Samantha

        The thing is, Bella wanted the mutant spine snapping death baby. Edward was willing to barter her sexually to Jacob if he could convince Bella to abort. The thing is, this is a matter of choice. Why does Edward’s choice mean more Tina? Especially since he is willing to prostitute his wife to his rival if she aborted. That was my main issue with the whole Breaking Dawn mutant offspring thing. That and the glossed over pedophilia aspect of Jacob imprinting on Nessie. Child grooming anyone?

      • Brandy

        If my doctor told me that my unborn child was endangering my life, I would follow her advise and abort. As hard as it is to say. The baby would probably die if I died anyway. And to grow up knowing your mother died in child birth affects that child greatly.

      • kortne

        i understand u there but i also would like to point out that this is her choose she felt like the child was just way to precious to give up get it right or dont write about unless you know it exact

    • Jenny

      Also, one must take into account that the author, Stephenie Meyer is a devout Mormon. Abortion would go against her personal moral code. If you also notice, there is almost no gratuitous sex in these movies. There are moral issues throughout the series.

      • Jennifer

        Right on, Jenny! I read Twilight because of Mrs. Meyer’s personal moral code. I wouldn’t have read them if the books went against my Catholic moral code. If Bella had had an abortion in BD, I would have been ticked off to no end. I know the sex scenes weren’t gratuitous, but the books could have done without them. I cannot stand sex scenes. As for moral issues, I still kind of have problems with Carlisle saving some of the characters by turning them into vampires. I understand his reasons for doing it (I know it is only fiction), but I still wonder if it is right or wrong. Those whose careers are devoted to saving lives (doctors and nurses) have to deal with these choices everyday.

      • Jenny

        Thanks, Jennifer. Perhaps we’ve been desensitized as a society to think that sex scenes are “the norm” in modern day storytelling, but I was comfortable with the amount Ms. Meyer included. I think she handled it in a responsible and tasteful way, so I was not bothered. Because of her delicate handling of such issues, I was able to give my cousin an honest opinion as to whether I thought the series was too mature for her teenage daughter to read.

        I did like that Ms. Meyer showed opposing views in each issue. For the issue of college, Bella didn’t seem to care much; Edward pushed for it. For pre-marital sex, Edward was the one who wanted to hold out. For “turning” Bella… Bella and others had their opinions, but Edward AND Rosalie had the opposition and personal reason why they wouldn’t want this for Bella.

        As for your issue with Carlisle turning his “family,” I believe Ms. Meyer did an excellent job of conveying the anguish Carlisle had in being a doctor and wanting to do everything he physically could to save these young lives cut short by tragedy. He would have a harder choice, I think, since real-life docs & nurses don’t have immortality as a saving grace. With that said, I believe he used it judiciously if you consider how long he’s been around and how few people he turned.

      • Jen

        Crispy- I like your blogs–a bit aggressive but good points, for the most part- Mainly: I started reading the series because my teen girls were into them ( and after seeing the first Twilight movie with them before I read the books, being bored to yawns, then hearing the girls say things like “This is the best movie I have ever seen.” shocked me! Really? the best movie? sigh.) I wanted to know more about all the other vampires in the Twilight saga (other than Edward)- especially the Volturi- I hope Stephanie writes a long saga about the history of the Volturi. When she brought those characters in I realized I was reading Anne Rice “lite”… now I have a hankering to read Anne Rice again!

    • AshKev

      Had Bella had an abortion in Breaking Dawn, the books would have been banned to little kids for that reason alone. What do you people want from this series?

      • Lynn

        As someone who finds most of the messages in Twilight disturbing if not outright disgusting, I have to say that the idea of Bella risking her life for the demon hellspawn didn’t bother me. It’s not a stretch to think a mother would rather die than abort a baby.
        What DID bother me was that Edward wanted her to abort and offered her as a sexual plaything to Jacob if he could convince her to do so.

      • Kara

        Lynn, I agreee 100%. I just stared at the book in disgust. Pretty sure I quit reading it shortly after that. I get that he was desperate, but you can’t just…offer your wife up to some other guy because you know he’s still hurting over her and would do her. That’s sick.

      • Muffy

        Because it makes her a “real” woman.

        The feminazis believe us girls should only care about rather or not we should have an abortion.

      • Samantha

        Thank you, Lynn. I have been constantly beating this drum. I wasn’t put off with the idea of either keeping or aborting the child, I was more put off with Edward deciding to prostitute Bella to Jacob is she agreed to abort. Just as bad is that Jacob had to “think about it” before refusing. WTF?

        Also there’s the whole “all the fluid in their bodies becomes the vampire venom, except male sperm which for some reason can live in a frozen reanimated corpse for nearly a century and still be viable.

  • jmo

    Abusive? No. Unhealthy? Yep. Bella has no power in the relationship. It’s controled by how Edward feels about her. I could see the story turning into a real horror novel if she had went to college, gained some independence in the process, returned home only to realize how wrong she was about him. That’s when it would get all starker-y (to borrow from Buffy).

    • maiv

      That mash-up video with Buffy is hilarious!

    • Jen

      Hey! there is nothing in the series that even touches on the personality traits of Bella and Edward that they are attracted too! OMG: on Edward’s part he ‘loves’ Bella because she smells good- now someone should market a perfume called “Bella” “It’s sooooo good even vampires will stalk you!” And for Bella’s part- the series NEVER touched on what about Edward’s personality was so irresistible to Bella. All I can gather is that she fell in love with him because he was so physically beautiful. mmmmm…I really don’t think they would last for eternity!

  • wendy

    umm Edward did mention he wanted her to go to college quite a few times.

  • Kristen

    Read the books before you attempt to write! Seriously. Bella is a very strong female character. The movies do not show this as much as I would have liked but it is clear in the books how strong Bella is. She does drive herself, she is totally self-sufficient. If you would have checked your facts you would have known Edward and Bella’s pact was marriage and college first, then turn her. When she got pregnant, that changed things a bit. Before spouting off crap, please do a bit of research please.

    • Melissa

      I have read all of the books and I couldn’t disagree with you more. Bella is nothing like a strong female character. She is the moony, nightmarish cousin of Juliet. She hitches her wagon to Edward’s star and can’t see anything else. The message this sends to teenage girls (and don’t even get me started on the whole pregnancy at 18 thing) is unbelivably detrimental. I work with teenage girls. They are inundated by images that suggest they should be the perfect woman…for a man. Nowhere in any of those books does Bella make a choice for only herself. She is always acting on behalf of Edward. Bella is weak and so is the terrible message these books send.

      • Kylie

        Melissa–you are trying to rationalize with teenagers who simply wants male affirmation, so the writing structure is based on that desire.

        It placates to it. You don’t see many people with life experience of self exploration, personal growth, and experience being in a relationship.

        I have not read word one in any of the books. But was tipped off by my friends (fellow Generation X-ers) who did read the books to tell me they are fantasy romantic dribble with no basis in reality. The relationship are codependent and whiny but they called it a guilty pleasure when you just been dumped.

        I don’t think teenagers will emulate the behavior. It will fill their head with dribble but it also fills them with the desire to read.

        My neice Jordi–didn’t read anything before Twilight and now she has a genre. She will outgrow twilight and feel foolish she ever read it.

    • crispy

      OMG, she drives herself! Do feminists know about this? Move over, Gloria Steinem!

      • kitkat18

        Hey crispy, what have you been doing all day? I feel like I’ve seen your comments all over the place. For someone who seems so anti-Twilight, you sure are spending quite a lot of time talking about it. I’m just sayin’.

      • crispy

        Stop stalking me! If you must know, I have a job that doesn’t really engage me, I work in multiple browser tabs, and I enjoy the discourse.

    • Lynny

      Sorry, not buying it. She may be an interesting character to some, but not a strong female. Not at all.

      • gina

        wow, and all this time I thought that someone who is willing to give their life for the ones they love and is willing to go to any links to protect them is pretty strong, plus she never doubts her feelings or compromises them…I think some people have some misguided standards

    • Lindsey

      What about how Edward controls who Bella sees? What about how she wants to kill herself after he leaves? Or the fact that she has no hobbies or interests or friends outside of her boyfriend? Or how she is willing to become a vampire even though she knows she will probably kill people and is okay with it? Or how marrying Edward will effectively cut her off from her family yet she doesn’t care. If this isn’t an abusive relationship I don’t know what is. And I’m not even going to get into the pedophilia aspect of the story.

      • Aces High

        Exactly. Maybe you should write an article expanding on all those points which are a bit more significant than driving a truck.

      • Von

        But abusive to who Lindsey? Bella?? Come on!! Bella made all the choices in her relationship with Edward… ALL OF THEM. Not once did Edward force anything on Bella. Every choice that Bella made (with the exeption of marriage) were things that even Edward was very uncomfortable with. He is the one to compromise everything he beleives in to be with Bella. And if your really going to mention the way he controls who she sees… he only does that because he’s afraid she’ll get hurt (and he’s jealous too). But dosen’t he apolgize for all of that?? And he tells her.. and I quote…. “and more importantly, I’m not willing to let this drive a wedge between us”

      • Delia

        These are her choices! She is deciding to leave everything for Edward. No body is forcing her. IT IS HER CHOICE!.

      • Lindsey

        Delia, if you can’t see how that isn’t a healthy relationship then you might need to re-evaluate some aspects of your life.

      • Delia

        Lindsey all I see is a fictional book and movie that I like just for fun and in no way let it affect my life. If that makes me crazy in your eyes, all I can say is thank you.

      • Lizabeth

        Lindsey, I agree with you on everything except the pedophilia thing. I had a hard time reading Twilight because Edward reminded me so much of my bosses super controlling and possessive husband. I have wondered if Edwards character stems from the fact that the author is Mormon and the Mormon men are typically very dominant. As for my bosses husband? He just needs Jesus. =)

        I have never looked at Edward as being a pervert, though. In fact, his chastity is probably his most endearing quality.

      • Felicia

        Quit with the pedophilia already! HE IS NOT HUMAN! There have been lots of human/immortal romances where the immortal was decades or centuries older. She keeps her relationship with her father. Edward is just as suicidal when he leaves her for her own good. She refuses to give up her friendship with Jacob. I don’t think she had any hobbies BEFORE Edward–that may make her boring, but not weak. She is not ok with killing people. She and Edward plan on going north after she is changed so that she won’t be around people till she can control it and she is strong enough that this isn’t necessary. Please get your facts right.

      • Lindsey

        Felicia-I was mainly referring to Jacob/Renesmee which is quite possibly the creepiest thing I have ever read in my entire life.

      • Serene

        I have read through many of the comments posted on here and this one in particular has compelled me to respond because you obviously have not read the books. I agree that there are some troubling issues in the book and that Bella’s dependence on Edward is not at all inspiring and very questionable. However, just to be clear on a few things:
        1. Yes Edward “attempts” to keep Bella from seeing Jacob but she doesn’t comply. Bella searches for Jacob and is determined to see him so much so that Edward bribes Alice into kidnapping her and what not, so please don’t make it sound like Bella simply goes along with Edward’s “ban” on seeing Jacob.

        2. Yes Bella is extremely depressed after Edward leaves but never attempts to commit suicide. The book says that she hears Edward’s voice when she gets an adrenaline rush thus her acquired addiction to all things extreme. She doesn’t want to kill herself, she simply wants to hear Edward which doesn’t say much about her but really isn’t the same as suicide. Edward on the other hand was ready and willing to die when he thought Bella was dead so it’s not about portraying a weak female but 2 WEAK characters, male and female.

        3. Bella is shy and reserved with a very “private mind” as the author put it. So what if she doesn’t like shopping and hanging out with her superficial “friends”?

        4. Bella is not willing to kill anyone as a vampire and is even able to restrain herself from such as a newly born vampire so I have no idea what you’re talking about here.

        5. Marrying Edward does not cut her off from her family and in BD her father actually meets his grand-daughter. What’s more, she sought her parent’s approval of the marriage, she did not simply run off and elope.

        6. What I did find unnecessary and unacceptable was the anger Edward harboured toward Bella in the beginning, and the scene where he roughly grabbed Bella’s arm to lead her up the mountain and even worse, the scene where he threw her into a glass table… Hello, whatever happened to pushing Jasper away? Why throw Bella into a table?

        I do not think Bella is a weak character, not particularly strong and independent but not frail and fragile either. Bella made it clear that she was NOT afraid of a vampire who described himself as “designed to kill”, she is not impressed with all the attention that she receives as a newcomer and remains level-headed and keeps her personality as dry and plain as it may be. She opposes Edawrd’s decicsions and let’s her voice be heard. She agreed to marry Edward on her own terms.

    • Von

      I agree Kristen,the movies make Bella and Edward seem weak. We know that Bella was not some weakling who sat around and did whatever Edward or Jacob said. She fought with Edward to keep her relationship with Jacob, and vise versa. Edward and Jacob protected Bella from things that was clearly out of her control. To lable Bella as someone who is just so defensless without a man is stupid.

    • Jen

      I’m sorry, Bella is NOT strong at all. Anyone with any sort of education in psychology (at the high school level, even) can see that co-dependency prognosis a mile away.

      • Rio

        Isn’t there anyone who wouldn’t be co-dependent on the world’s hottest vampire? (I’m smirking, btw) One of the reasons it sold so well was the unbelievable romance – which has been selling books for 200 years. Does anyone really think Mr. Darcy was real?

  • Mariah

    Tina, I think your reaching. Hard. You might hurt yourself if you don’t stop soon.

    • ….

      Hurt herself by sharing her opinions…? Some of us don’t want our daughters to grow up thinking that it’s okay to revolve your life around a guy, instead of yourself, just because Bella chooses that.

  • K

    Mostly playing devils advocate here but I’m not sure I understand the relevance of this line of analysis. Would you stop your daughters from reading Wuthering Heights because Cathy and Heathcliff have an unhealthy relationship? Would you stop them from reading Pride and Prejudice because all that the girls care about in that book are finding husbands? They too marry young and don’t think about other options. That may have been more common then than now, but many girls still make that choice to this day. Books aren’t about ‘teaching’ — thats up to schools and parents. Books are about entertaining, enjoyment, escape. I think Twilight’s only fault in this is that I don’t think it was planned to come off that way…I think that it was truly meant to be romantic and idealizied. But that goes back to the literary merit of the book, not its message.

  • Melissa

    As a 32 year old who is a late fan to the books, I find all of this talk about Bella being an object that sets back feminisism 50 years to be ludicrous. I consider myself a liberal Feminist who is very pragmatic.

    Closer inspection of both the books and the movies shows that yes, Bella does ocassionally drive herself when she is with her admirers.

    In the books Bella does want to go on to college but she wants to be transformed first so that she isn’t much older than Edward. No where does it say that she doesn’t want to go to college at all. It’s a matter of timing that differs between her and Edward. Further more, none of the male vampires had their college degrees prior to becoming a vampire. In order to stay current with the times and to pass away the decades or centuries in some cases, the vampires attend schools and attain varying degrees. Women in the ‘Twilight Saga’ books are very much shown to have great power. The movies have yet to touch upon a neighboring vegetarian vampire coven headed by women. In ‘Breaking Dawn’ female leaders are at the fore.

    And lastly, as a person who is very much pro-choice, I also believe it is the woman’s right, even if she is dying because of a pregnancy, to keep her fetus and not abort it. It’s called a choice and doesn’t make Bella any less of a feminist, or lack thereof, for doing so.

    Take these fictional stories with a grain of salt. Why don’t we have this types of heated arguments about video games and their effect on males? We don’t because kids are smarter than this.

    • double-standards alert

      If these books were written by a man, you would probably deem them misogynist.

      These books set feminism back 50 years.

      • Brooke

        No kidding…especially since these books are Stephanie Meyer’s fantasy and Bella is just a Mary Sue for her. Could you imagine if a grown man wrote them as his fantasy and had Edward as his Gary Sue? Ew ew ew ew scary.

    • Barbie

      Here, here…perfectly put! :-)

    • crispy

      Twilight has absolutely set back feminism… in entertainment. Prior to these idiotic books, female characters had become empowered in everything from movies to music to television to even video games (since you mentioned them). Buffy, Shrek, Lara Croft, Spice Girls… all displayed powerful, ambitious heroines that young girls looked up to. Heck, even Disney’s princesses jumped on the girl power bandwagon. But along comes Twilight with it’s outdated Mormon ideals about how women should behave to bring that to a screeching halt. It’s sad to see a self-proclaimed “liberal feminist” defend this crap.

      • Jen

        Buffy , Lara Croft, etc. Empowered female characters?…only if they show cleavage! right?…..even Disney princesses….

      • TruthTeller

        buffy did not have cleavage.

    • Michelle

      I concur wholeheartedly, Melissa, well put.

    • Jane

      Melissa, I agree with you. I am a married woman with a child and a career. My husband generally drives when we go out, because I don’t want to, not because he is more important than me! Good grief people, this is fiction! Get over it! Why don’t we start dissecting The Princess Bride while we’re at it, I’m sure there are abusive situations in there too, but nobody cares!

      • crispy

        Uh-huh. Next time you guys go out, insist on driving. And be sure to get back to us about how badly your noble husband reacted to a threat to his masculinity.

      • Rebekka

        Crispy… I insist on driving all the time and my husband has no problem with it because DRIVING is NOT a threat to a man’s masculinity! If it is than your “man” is no man at all!

      • Una

        Crispy, that comment alone is enough of a threat to my sense of humor that tears are running down my face, from laughter. Wow.

    • Heather2

      Hallelujah, Praise the Lord. I could not agree with you more and would full on kiss you on the mouth if I was standing in front of you. :)

    • Stacy

      Your 100% right! Why isn’t there up roar about Grand Theft Auto? I hate those games. They demean women and the lead characters are criminals and down right nasty people, but there are not articles here devoted to that. I know that the Twilight coverage on this site has been kind of over board, but I don’t understand why they feel that now they need to balance it with all this crap about not being good role models and stalkers. If you don’t like Twilight then don’t read anything about it! Yeah you might see a few article titles, but it won’t kill you! No one is standing over you with a gun making you read and comment.

      • crispy

        Uh, there is!

      • machunny

        Good grief! No uproar over video games? And movies, too. I remember vividly when ‘Jersey Drive’ came out ages and ages ago and the uproar was terrible then (“the boys! what’ll we do with the boys?”, and there’s an article every 10 minutes about the effects of gaming on young boys minds. We have every right and reason to be worried; that has no bearing on ‘Twilight’. I worry about the effects of the “Twilight’ mania on very young girls’ perceptions on relationships and their own self-worth. I also worry about their use of grammar every time I check the EW site.

      • Ambient Lite

        On a much more serious note than all of this silly Twilight nonsense, I remember when the Columbine massacre was blamed on violent video games.
        The argument about media influencing kids behavior is certainly not a new one. This won’t be the last time it is debated.
        On a lighter note, I too worry about their grammar. Yikes.

      • Tracy

        The movie is just a chick-flick but still nice to spend lauisere time…and comparing the characters you imagined in your mind with the ones on the widescreen is quite amusing:)

    • Jen

      Video gaming is constantly the focus of debate about influence on the players. Just not on this blog!!!

  • georgi

    I think that in Eclipse their relationship is even worse than in New Moon, which is why it was my least favorite book.

    • Von

      I would have to disagree with you georgi. Eclipse is the book that shows how Bella and Edward are as a true couple. A couple who have disagreements and aguments just like everyone else. They were both so head over heels, that you never saw how hard both of them fought to keep their relationship.

  • Ray

    I think there’s a bit too much analyzing going on. I’ve never viewed their relationship as abusive and you have to take into account that the whole series is fantasy. Therefore you can’t really compare it like you normally would. I love Twilight coverage, but I think it’s gone a bit overboard with all the overanalyzing.

  • crispy

    Didn’t we just have this conversation? Like yesterday?

    • i’m a lady

      i’m beginning to feel EW is abusing my patience with this never-ending analysis.

    • Ambient Lite

      Yes, we so effing did.
      I see that she, like Owen, decided to bait the Twilight hook with the most controversial aspect in an effort to have her own little comments blockbuster article. How very transparent.

    • Ambient Lite

      In fact, I’m beginning to wonder if EW “columnists” have some sort of holiday bonus tied directly to how many comments they rack up.

      • crispy

        LOL! I do not doubt it. Of course, I’m one of the idiots who keeps falling for it! :)

      • i’m a lady

        no doubt they have some sort of ‘twilight article’ quota they need to fill for the week. what will they do when this phenomena has been bled dry?–pun intended

      • Ambient Lite

        I know, I kind of hate myself for continually getting caught up in this garbage.
        I can’t wait to see what they come up with for the next one. Could it be “Is Bella anti-American because she ditches her Ford for a Mercedes?”

      • Diana

        @Ambient Lite

        Please don’t give them any ideas!!!

  • i’m a lady

    for crying out loud, ENOUGH TWILIGHT ALREADY.

    • load

      This is a response to Ambient Lite: I liked every one of your comments about the Twilight series. Also, if I may digress: I was thrilled to learn that someone else read and enjoyed The Thorn Birds. I read this book when it was first published over 20 yrs. ago, and I got a good friend/co-worker to read it as well. Ambient Lite: Did you see the movie with Richard Chamberlain and Rachel Ward? I read The Thorn Birds when I was 30 years old and married with a child, so there was no danger of me being negatively influenced by its unlhealthy love relationship. I know I transgress from the intended purpose of these posts re: the Twilight series. Sorry!! I just had to give a shout out to a fellow reader of ANOTHER book of fiction which:(1) may have actually happened to two people, and (2) in all likelihood did not influence a young girl to fall in love with someone she should not have… As an aside, I am aware that Edward is not a person–he is a vampire.

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